Capital Furs

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8281772.stm

more than 157 shot dead on the spot for disagreeing with the government?

i'm very, very far from a bleeding heart, and this is a bit much for me.

and people wonder why some of us prefer to think we're a different species.....
or accept we're more animal than most think.....

Such is the world we live in sadly.

The part that bothers me is that the guys that are fighting for change are probably just as bad as the ones they're fighting.

The only change they want is which pocket the countless millions of dollars go into.

And did anyone else reading this notice that the guy egging on the people actually doing the protesting is safe in New York?

"We will fight no matter how many of us die! ... Now excuse me while I stand over here. But seriously. Go! Fight!"

Meer wrote:"We will fight no matter how many of us die! ... Now excuse me while I stand over here. But seriously. Go! Fight!" - George W. Bush

Corrected.

Meer wrote:And did anyone else reading this notice that the guy egging on the people actually doing the protesting is safe in New York?

oh god no i missed that because i was too busy being BITTERLY FUCKING OUTRAGED.

god dammit. i'm too educated to get worked up about this. i learned shit like this happens every day. this is just the one that caught the headline right now. this is how most of the world solves arguments. with assault rifles.

fuck me.
and fuck them.
all of them.

god dammit

As horrible a person as it makes me sound, I do my best not to think about it. Despite what a lot of people seem to think, we CAN'T solve the issues they're having down there. Sending them money only helps the people in charge, and helping the actual people will dilute their ability to bring lasting change.

Last time I actually stopped and thought about the state of the world outside of N. America (and most of Europe and Eastern Asia) I wrote a bunch of angry poetry. Works well as a vent and who knows, sometimes you pop out a good one.

Am I the only one who spends far too much time daydreaming about saving the world via the utter and unquestionable destruction of every stuffed shirt rich-ass leader of this rather sad and sorry planet?

Or somehow magically distributing basic needs like food, water and shelter and then thumbing the nose at those same leaders?

No?

it doesn't sound horrible. it seems pretty sensible. i'm nearly always the same.

i blame this on a breif moronic lapse of giving a damn

Indref wrote:Am I the only one who spends far too much time daydreaming about saving the world via the utter and unquestionable destruction of every stuffed shirt rich-ass leader of this rather sad and sorry planet?

Or somehow magically distributing basic needs like food, water and shelter and then thumbing the nose at those same leaders?

No?

Any plan to save the world that involves wiping out a good portion of its population, while effective in the short term, is pretty much doomed in the long term. God knows I've always wondered why they just don't get some snipers to take out the tyrants like Mugabe, but it's nothing but a little self-satisfaction and would never pan out.

There'll ALWAYS be more greedy people eager to get a little power.

As for giving food to the people, the greedy people will just take it away again. See: Mogadishu in the 90's... UN went in and gave 'em food, the militias showed up and took it away. And any use of force to make sure that food gets to the right people would turn even the best intentions into the next Iraq.

Change can only come from within a country and the best thing we can do is stay the fuck out of the way 'til the country either collapses and is absorbed or the people hit rock bottom and rise up. Iran's getting there, slowly but surely it is.

And not to get personal about it Indy, you know I adore you, but you clearly hate Bush given your correction of my post earlier in the thread, but how is what you're daydreaming about any different than what he actually did? Saddam Hussein was a bad man. Whether you're against the war or not, that fact is nigh unarguable. Bush went in and removed him, and look at the shitstorm that has been caused because of it.

Now imagine you did that to every country.

indy, i daydream about that all the fucking time. PUNISHER STYLE

meer, you are correct up to the point of what i beleive indy would like. yeah, do that to every country in the world. but not just the heads of state. CEOS of companies like exxon, dupont, microsoft, BP, gazprom, lockheed martin, ontario hydro, all of them. governments. companies. lobby groups. bar associations. militaries. paramilitaries. fuck 'em. kill them. all.

there is an implicit understanding that if you remove the overlords of societies everyone will have no reason to fight eachother anymore. that the real battle is not left/right, east/west, or red/blue, but up/down. thee implied predominant human mindset is everyone knows the wars and bickering and screaming and shooting are all bullshit created by the elites, and that nobody really has much of a problem with different groups on a personal level.

right?